tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post517429655643428084..comments2023-09-05T06:49:11.624-07:00Comments on Jay's Workshop: Death by a thousand points...agemmanjwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14584348604301217214noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post-75398170336564123992012-03-29T16:54:33.863-07:002012-03-29T16:54:33.863-07:00I went to a tournament a few years ago at ICON. It...I went to a tournament a few years ago at ICON. It was hosted buy a local gaming store. There were nearly two dozen players there- some new guys, some vets. It was a fun atmosphere, and some cool looking models.<br /><br />One of my opponents was a Necron player. This guy rolled dice, counted SO quickly so that I couldn't even count them. He did things so damn fast that in my mind I questioned his honesty, but I decided not to bother, as it was the most singularly unfun game I've ever played, and I just wanted it to be over...<br /><br />I placed 8th in the tournament despite the loss to the Necron guy. Indeed, the rest of my opponents were great fun- whether I won or lost, it was just a great time. I hope you find opponents in the near future who are in it for the fluff, modeling, and the spirit of it rather than just the win. <br /><br />And with the way the economy is, my 2 cents is actually worth 1.5 cents...Professor Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732056963666082305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post-62704404344930087172012-03-28T13:11:10.652-07:002012-03-28T13:11:10.652-07:00Right on! I totally agree, especially on the GK a...Right on! I totally agree, especially on the GK and that broken-ness.<br />I DO believe it is easy to play a balanced game using whatever you can fit into the points, I'm just placing hard restrictions on it so anyone I know can have a chance no matter the book...<br />You sound like a blast to play based on the philosphy that you keep. It makes me sad that I can't game against more people like you (my area is full of douchey soldiers who don't care for fun if winning isn't the goal). Keep it up, and thank goodness there's some good DE players still out there. <br />and thanx for the two cents. I really do appreciate it, this community needs better representatives. And yours is worth more than 2 cents for sure. :-)agemmanjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584348604301217214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post-16272611381921036152012-03-28T12:48:35.751-07:002012-03-28T12:48:35.751-07:00I totally agree that there needs to be more balanc...I totally agree that there needs to be more balance, but there are two factors at play here: first, GW wants to sell tanks and big kits, but keep the troops still vital to sell as much as possible (that's not cynical GW bashing, but it is true), second, players love to play with big guns, and as many as they can get. That's one of the reasons people play 40K- the sight of a ton of IG tanks is what the game is about to some people. With those two factors, I can't see GW changing the dynamic that much- but I agree that certain books (Orks and Chaos for sure) need to be fixed up, and that 6th should provide better balance overall.<br /><br />I am not the greatest player by any stretch; indeed, I used to be very frustrated when I played the original DE (talk about a bad book!). Now, I've mellowed a bit and I enjoy just having a snack, having some laughs and rolling the dice. However, at tournaments, I see exactly what you're talking about- people playing to win no matter what, rather than just having fun and admiring painting, modeling, and tactical skills. And that's too bad, as this means 40K fans get into it with those determined to win at all costs. <br /><br />I played a two round game recently as the Forces of Chaos. The first round was a Kill Team mission against the Grey Knights. The mission was a blast to play, and was very small. We then used the outcome to determine the mission type for the big 2000 point game. It was fluffy, it was fun, and I lost big time... I feel that Grey Knights having such weaponry is waaaaay too much, and GW needs to balance THAT type of issue. That said, the game was still fun, because it was about a storyline and fluff.<br /><br />That's just my two cents, at any rate.Professor Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732056963666082305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post-36234506092231100612012-03-27T19:34:39.440-07:002012-03-27T19:34:39.440-07:00I'm hoping 6th fixes it too.
But about the on...I'm hoping 6th fixes it too.<br /><br />But about the only taking one unit from the esoteric three, consider this:<br />A SM player brings two Land Raiders in 1,000 points, and his opponent is an Ork player. How will the Orks kill the Land Raiderzzzzz? One is hard enough to handle, but two is just horrible at that level. Now imagine an IG player against an Eldar army- IG can put out four times as many doods and five times as many guns, while the Eldar is stuck killing guardsmen by the twos...<br />The point is to keep the game balanced between unbalanced books as well as make it obvious how the armies are designed to fight. Most importantly, a 1,000 pt game isn't big enough to take alot anyway, so it's not much lost...<br /><br />As far as a Talos and a Ravager at 1K pts, that would certainly be fun to play and isn't 'spam', so awesome-sauce all day! However, how is a Dark Angel player supposed to handle that? Not only will you outnumber him three to one, but you'll have many more special weapons and you'll play a game that lasts three rounds before you've utterly annhilited him. At least being limitted to one or the other means your book's power level compared to his is also limitted (although still great, comparitavely). Also, the point is to play outside the tried and true standards of army-building. How's an Eldar player supposed to do anything with only one Heavy? (that's VERY not good for that book.) :-)agemmanjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584348604301217214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3549051936281637048.post-58541731462071613032012-03-27T18:04:02.183-07:002012-03-27T18:04:02.183-07:00I don't know about the taking only 1 Heavy, 1 ...I don't know about the taking only 1 Heavy, 1 Elite, 1 Fast Attack... There are fun units there. What would that mean for Imperial Guard? My Dark Eldar take Talos' and Ravagers, but that army is balanced enough (great codex)<br /><br />I'd like to think that 6th edition might fix some of these difficulties, but who knows, right?Professor Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732056963666082305noreply@blogger.com